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Sleep paralysis & nocturnal seizures?

Hello, everyone.  I just joined tonight.  I was surprised (although I shouldn't be) that there is such a community for S. P..  It's a fantastic thing, though.  I have been researching S. P. because I also suffer from it.  They have never been delightful for me although they've been surely incredible experiences.  They are now infrequent (knock on wood), but I have been trying to find information regarding suffers of S. P. who have had an issue as I have.


When I have episodes of it they are usually out-of-body for a time being (other-wise they're almost always completely paralyzed and open-eyed), and so realistic that I actually do not know that I am dreaming.  There's always an ominous presence at the end, and I become terrified.  This is far from my actual personality to be afraid, so I find it alarming.  I have always had the ability to know that I was dreaming when I was, but not with this. . .

How-ever, that isn't the worst part. . .

Can anyone tell me if they have ever experienced this:  Either right at the beginning or end of an episode (or both), I will feel the common "heaviness", but it's more like I'm being sucked into something, and then it signifies for what I know is going to happen next:  I will start hearing a hum in my head and then feel as if my body is being put through some slow impulses of an electrocution machine.  It's like a slow electricity is vibrating down my entire body, but its worse with my head.  Can anyone relate?  Is this understandable?  I interpret this as being excruciatingly painful while it is happening.




In my early teens I had occasions of having nocturnal seizures, which is within itself a sleep paralysis that can cause the sufferer (in my experience) to wake-up in jolts and fall RIGHT back to sleep within seconds, and then having this repeat continuously only moments or seconds later (other things can happen during the seizure, but that's the main bit).  These are extremely rare now for me unless triggered by medications.  How-ever, I've been doing research, and I've seen that some suffers of N. S. have this sense of electro-happenings before falling asleep, but I'm having this combined within the episode of the S. P..
I also didn't start having S. P. problems until after the period of time I was having nocturnal seizures (in my late teens), so . . . I just wonder what's going on. . .

Is it possible that my nocturnal seizures evolved into sleep paralysis?  Are they commonly connected?  Does anyone experience pain at all while having an episode of S. P.?




I'd really love and appreciate feedback.

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In my early teens I had occasions of having nocturnal seizures, which is within itself a sleep paralysis that can cause the sufferer (in my experience) to wake-up in jolts and fall RIGHT back to sleep within seconds, and then having this repeat continuously only moments or seconds later.

Wait, is this that thing when you are just about to fall asleep, and then a random part of your body (or sometimes all of your body) twitches? Or is this something else? Because I do that semi-frequently, though never at the same time/same night as having regular SP episodes.

I've never had real pain, but I've had hallucinations/dreams (anymore, I can't always tell the difference, as sometimes I hallucinate, and sometimes I fall asleep in between SP episodes and dream) that are painful and only go away when I wake up.
Nope. =) There are different sleep disturbances that can occur, but mine were seizures. The person experiencing N. S. will not kick their legs once or jerk their whole body once or twice and fall back to sleep, but they will continuously have this in and out of consciousness while tossing about in the bed as if someone having a seizure would do, then the possibility of having problems with groaning/moaning out-loud, foaming at the mouth, biting the tongue, and sometimes losing bladder or bowel control can occur. Luckily I didn't have that last bit, though.

Anonymous

July 23 2010, 15:27:10 UTC 7 years ago

YES - I get them - exactly as described in my sleep - wake up (if I can pull myself from feeling paralytic) with often a headache, nervousness (a bit) and blame it on my epiliepsy

orrion_skylar

5 years ago

"and so realistic that I actually do not know that I am dreaming." - the actual medical definition says that you aren't dreaming. You are awake, but there is somehow a disconnect between your conscious mind and your body which is why you can't move.

It's been years since I had my last experience, but when I did have them, they matched near exactly as you describe them here:

"Either right at the beginning or end of an episode (or both), I will feel the common "heaviness", but it's more like I'm being sucked into something, and then it signifies for what I know is going to happen next: I will start hearing a hum in my head and then feel as if my body is being put through some slow impulses of an electrocution machine."

I think you might have several disorders as the "jolting" one you described sounds more like Restless Leg Syndrom or something, maybe Sleep Apnea. You should definately see a sleep disorder specialist for those as they could indicate a different serious medical condition...
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Eek. I have not had many sleep disturbances, or seizures-like happenings, in quite sometime. When it does happen, I will be hallucinating while this is going on --is that related to Restless Leg Syndrome? Maybe I should look up on it but I have never had other difficulties while sleeping before to think of such, nor breathing problems. It would be worth it get it checked out at least. I just wonder if this could arrange from a bunch of things, as I haven't had an actual seizure since I was a teenager, and back then I also would hear voices sometimes right before going to sleep.

Thank you for the input. =)
The seizures that you describe, is it more like a tingling sensation? Like when your foot falls asleep? That's kind of what happens to me when I experience Sleep Paralysis. When I first started having issues with SP I would hear a humming in my ears as well, but not so much anymore. I can't speak or scream either but I do my best to moan and make some sort of noise when it happens so my husband can wake me up and get me out of it. I have hallucinated a couple of times but any more I just keep my eyes closed because I don't want to hallucinate. So I don't know if I would see anything now or not.

I thought I read or heard once that SP was associated with Out Of Body Experiences or OBE. Not 100% sure on that though. Science doesn't know much about SP, they only know that it is a neurological disorder. They have no idea what causes it. It's just a state between being awake and being asleep. Your mind seems to wake up but your body is still asleep. There really needs to be more research on this subject because a lot of people suffer from it.
>>The seizures that you describe, is it more like a tingling sensation? Like when your foot falls asleep?

No, I think my body would feel some-what numb because of the paralysis, but not tingly. As for the the seizures themselves, they were actual seizures with the bad flinging around/almost falling out of bed stuff.

I'm sorry to hear about your experiences. Bah, I'm sorry for almost anyone who has this problem. It became so bad for me at one point that I refused to sleep at night and I would sleep during the day-light, as it happened less frequently for me then and I felt less scared about having the experience.

Thanks for the reply and link to the site. I wish that there would be more research about this stuff, too. It is as fascinating as it is scary. . .
Here's a site that I found that has some interesting information.

http://www.arts.uwaterloo.ca/~acheyne/S_P.html
Before I had S.P, I had seizures in middle school resulting from a head injury. I had a major concussion from getting hit by a car on my bike. I have always thought that S.P was from epilepsy. S.P started shortly after I came off of medication for epilepsy. I had them more frequent in the beginning but now only have maybe 2 or 3 every few months. I know when an episode is coming on because I will hear the loud humming noise and feel pressure all over my body and feel like there is a dark presence in my room. If I try to open my eyes or move, it only makes my symptons more stronger. I just have to lay there and wait it out which seems like it take a very long time. I only feel "pain" when I try to move.
Oh, goodness. My heart goes out to people who suffer from epilepsy. Seizures are beyond miserable. . . If I may ask, do you still suffer from it? I hope not.


It does make me wonder if it is indeed connected, though. I mean, it's neurological anyway, so why not? Just as stress, bad sleeping habits and such can trigger S. P., then it makes sense that seizures can too. I just wonder if the two can combine in one episode. That is bothersome to me because I do not sleep next to anyone, and I worry of having a returning episode and hurting myself or worse.

kimmikat1980

September 10 2008, 17:37:45 UTC 8 years ago Edited:  September 10 2008, 17:38:24 UTC

I don't suffer from Epilepsy anymore. But I have heard once you've have them, your more prone to it. *crosses fingers*

If you're having them at a frequent rate, their is medication you can go on. My neurologist said that I don't have them often enough to be worth going on such harsh drugs. Maybe you should make an appointment with your Doctor?!
that describes what i experience about half of the time when i have a sp episode...i used to think i was having seizures that were leading to bad dreams. sometimes my entire body would shake as i heard & felt the "electricity" and humming, too. apparently it's a normal part of sp, and yeah it can be painful. almost a burning sensation...and similar to "brain zaps" i've experienced from withdrawal from medication, only x10.
I hate to say it, but I'm glad not to be alone. Thank you for replying.

It makes me wonder, though. . . Has anyone ever suffered a lot from "shivers"? The term "brain zaps" made me recall that I used to do it all the time. It felt like an electrical current going down my entire body from my head down neck, shoulders and spine, which would make me shake quite noticeably while it lasted. It used to happen much more often to me before I started having S. P.. Now I don't do it as much.
me too! it used to happen apart from sp, and more often & severe then. how strange.

look into hypnic jerk, and exploding head syndrome...they are different things (i think), but maybe it'll give you an idea of where to look for answers...

from what i understand brain zaps usually occur from withdrawal from certain antidepressant medications..."shivers" describes it pretty well, although a seizure might be the cause too.
Covering the basic primer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis can occur during http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogia which is part of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasomnia

You aren't alone tactile(physical or touch) sensations are common and in the past it was blamed on demons, witches and ghosts. The female version was Succubus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succubus and the male was Incubus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubus_(demon) The names aren't just about bands and bad horror flicks.

SP is "harmless" in medical opinion for physical damage but is quite distressing for the person experiencing it. Fear of it and the powerlessness and pain felt are bad for mental health http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_deprivation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_debt can cause things to get worse and problems to shift. Once one sleep disorder gets its foot in the door all of its buddy disorders come along for the ride.

The upside is there things that help reduce it http://www.wikihow.com/Cope-With-Sleep-Paralysis

A few good sites for better research
http://sleepeducation.com/index.aspx
http://www.healthboards.com/boards/forumdisplay.php?s=5fbf0d166daa251ca1644160c6c3645b&f=115
http://www.talkaboutsleep.com/message-boards/index.php
http://www.crazyboards.org/forums/


As odd as it sounds, try burning white sage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_sage

During this have you ever seen shadow shapes/people?

Add the reply info I sent you in the other community.
Woah, cheers for running into the same people on different communities.

Thank you for your very good information. I’ve booked marked the sites. =) I had known about S. P. sufferers and the whole relation to mythical demons, as I find that stuff interesting. I have had, myself, experienced a creature menacing me. There is usually an "evil" presence in all of my S. P. happenings, but I had seen it actually twice. The worst time was in an S. P.-related hallucination, and there was this black feathered creature sitting on top of an entertainment center right in front of me. It had human arms and a mostly human body, but it was perched and just staring at me. It was in shadow, but it was pure black, and I could see the glistening of smooth feathers reflecting off of street lights from the window. This was the most vivid time. Suddenly something (it?) pulled me directly towards it across the room from the floor, as I was sleeping there. That’s when I snapped out of it. It was just alarming. So, in any case, yes --shadowy demon creature/s. But, at this time, I was also starting to believe that my house I was living in was having supernatural experiences . . . not that I am sure that I believe in it. Just strange things going on at the time. . . Maybe I was just out of my mind as I was having other problems, too. I’ll sum it up to stress.

Thank you again, and I’ll be sure to reply on the other community. I just haven’t been able to get on there due to privacy issues.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_people
http://community.livejournal.com/shadowpeople/profile

There's opinion that you see it/them out of the conner of your eye instead of direct vision because its more subconscious than conscious. You can never see a ghost directly on except on rarer occasion until you honed the skills/gift/curse. Being tired also has the mind more sensitive to alternate energy and co existing parallel type universe theory. The SubC portion being more receptive and more sensitive. Shadow people and ghost seem different. Its hard to explain and put down in writing. Its like SP is different than some holding you down.


Just in case you need another resource
http://community.livejournal.com/sleep_disorders/profile

There's the Schizo possibility
http://psychcentral.com/disorders/sx31.htm

One other option since you're receptive to alt beliefs is- Open the room up and let sunlight in during the day. Its something about uv light cleansing the area. You can feel a room that stays shut and dark when it gets a blast of sunshine almost like energizing the air.

Ether way, SP is not odd and there are a bunch of resources and people online to help. Some of the counter tricks actually work unlike the other "do these bs activities" kinda self-help sham lists.


sage ... sage has been found to trigger seizures in epileptic people.
here are a few links:
http://www.2betrhealth.com/Other-Triggers-for-Seizures.html
http://www.theida.com/pdf/AT_Epilepsy.pdf

Deep thought to ponder: "sage" was is used in many cultures to ward off evil spirits and in ancient times seizures were considered to be evil leaving a person. interesting.

I think the "electric" feeling is common. It usually happens when the episode is starting for me. I will usually hear this metallic hum and then hear zaps which feel like electricity going through my head. This sometimes coincides with my whole body trembling along with the pressure on the chest or neck area. You describe the pressure as "being sucked into something." For me, it sometimes feels like the pressure is so great that I'm being sucked into my mattress. This great pressure is somewhat released when I have my out of body experience.

I don't know if I would describe the electric feeling as "painful." The pressure on my chest and neck is usually the more painful thing for me and makes me go in a panic because it feels like someone is trying to kill me.
Thanks very much. Hearing more replies about this makes it not seem as "bad" or more "abnormal" for me to experience it.

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=( So sorry to hear that.

woahh

Anonymous

October 21 2008, 17:21:18 UTC 8 years ago

this happened to me last night. everything you described but i also had a locked jaw. and i dont know about you but it was a like i was half asleep half awake because after it happened i feel asleep which is odd because me being as anxious as i am, would have gotten up and been like wtf you know? lol but yeah its nice to know youve had the same thing happen.
I alwys have the chest vibrations when my SP happens and can always feel when its going to happen. Its like Electricity pulsing through my body and I'm usually very warm or in an electric blanket when its goning to happen, so weird. So you're not alone : ) I have this electrity thing too when it happens to me.
Hi everyone! I have S.P too! It stopped for ages though - about 2 years until just last night I had it 3 times in a row (I pulled out of it went to sleep then had it again and pulled out again you get the idea)after the third time I laid on my side and it didn't happen again lol! but the strange thing is and I know its sad but last night was the first time I slept without the door open with the light on in the other room! Partly because when it used to happen frequently, because I was sleeping in the dark it makes me wonder about the orange light theory and ghosts and what not, not liking it.

The shadow people two, thats only happened twice out of the 100s of S.P happenings, the scariest time was when I was on my side! I woke up unable to move just my eyes were open and this shadow thing (round head, scrawny) was holding my wrists solid! Naturally I freaked out and fought against it until I became free only to wake up and my room completely normal again! Of course though I put the light on before going back to sleep!

One more thing which hasnt happened in ages is this nightmare with a huge black talking dog! Haha sounds stupid I know but hes proper scary (I say he because he has a male voice) anyways, 9 out of 10 times he only came in regular dreams/nightmares but once and it was a bit ago I set it up- I turned all lights out and put a picture of a random scary looking black dog above my bed and oh my, would you believe I got S.P. but different, there was no pain, no electricity no heavyness I just simply couldn't move! The main difference was the voice I heard - it was his saying something i didnt understand but he dint sound too happy! lol its not even funny, I remember telling myself ''Im not scared its just S.P. but the voice got closer as if he stood on my bed and angrier which I still told myself not scared until the voice was so close I thought he was going to rip me to pieces! So I fought against the S.P. oh this was the longest S.P ever and I sleep alone.

Thanks for your time reading this; it feels good to have got it out my system!